Damn these are fighting words…Thank god finally the Administration is gonna fight for the RIGHT TO PARTY! Cheney getting pissed about the New York Times saying there were no links between Al Queda and Saddam. Go Get them Vice Prez.
DRUDGE REPORT FLASH 2004? In an EXCLUSIVE interview with CNBC’s ‘Capital Report’:
Vice President Dick Cheney said that there were clearly ties between Saddam Hussein and the al-Qaeda terrorists, and he called the New York Times coverage of the story “outrageous.”
The vice president was responding to a report from the 9-11 Commission saying it had found no evidence of “collaboration” between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
ALAN MURRAY, co-host:
Hello and welcome to CAPITAL REPORT. I’m Alan Murray. Our top story tonight, the 9-11 Commission ended its hearings today with some surprising news. Among other things, the panel says it’s found no evidence that Saddam Hussein collaborated with al-Qaida terrorists, seeming to contradict the White House, which has emphasized links between the two. In a CNBC exclusive tonight, we get Vice President Dick Cheney’s first reaction to today’s news.
My partner, Gloria Borger, is with the vice president in the battleground state of Ohio, where he campaigned in Lewis City, just outside of Columbus, today. Gloria.
GLORIA BORGER, co-host:
That’s right, Alan. We are at NexTech Materials, which is a high-tech manufacturer in Lewis Center, Ohio. Of course, as you know, the vice president just gave a speech here this afternoon. John Kerry has also been here this week and, as you mentioned, Ohio is, of course, a battleground state.
Thank you so much for being with us, Mr. Vice President. And we will get to talk about the economy in a few minutes.
Vice President DICK CHENEY: OK.
BORGER: But obviously first the news of the week is the 9-11 Commission report. And as you know, the report found, quote, “No credible evidence that al-Qaida collaborated with Iraq or Saddam Hussein. Do you disagree with its findings?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: I disagree with the way their findings have been portrayed. This has been enormous confusion over the Iraq-al-Qaida connection, Gloria. First of all, on the question of whether or not there was any kind of a relationship, there clearly was a relationship. It’s been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming. It goes back to the early ’90s.
It involves a whole series of contacts, high-level contacts between Osama bin Laden and Iraqi intelligence officials. It involves a senior official, a brigadier general in the Iraqi intelligence service going to the Sudan before bin Laden ever went to Afghanistan to train them in bomb-making, helping teach them how to forge documents. Mr. Zarqawi, who’s in Baghdad today, is an al-Qaida associate who took refuge in Baghdad, found sanctuary and safe harbor there before we ever launched into Iraq. There’s a Mr. Yasin, who was a World Trade Center bomber in ‘93, who fled to Iraq after that and we found since when we got into Baghdad, documents showing that he was put on the payroll and given housing by Saddam Hussein after the ‘93 attack; in other words, provided safe harbor and sanctuary. There’s clearly been a relationship.
There’s a separate question. The separate question is: Was Iraq involved with al-Qaida in the attack on 9/11?
BORGER: Was Iraq involved?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: We don’t know. You know, what the commission says is that they can’t find any evidence of that. We had one report which is a famous report on the Czech intelligence service and we’ve never been able to confirm or to knock it down.
BORGER: Well, let me just get to the bottom line here…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: But it’s very important that people understand these two differences. What The New York Times did today was outrageous. They do a lot of outrageous things but the headline, Panel Find Qaida-Iraq Tie. The press wants to run out and say there’s a fundamental split here now between what the president said and what the commission said. Jim Thompson is a member of the commission who’s since been on the air. I saw him with my own eyes. And there’s no conflict. What they were addressing was whether or not they were involved in 9/11. And there they found no evidence to support that proposition. They did not address the broader question of a relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida in other areas, in other ways.
BORGER: Well, my reading of the report is that it says that, yes, contacts were made between al-Qaida and Iraq, but they could find no evidence that any relationship, in fact, had been forged between al-Qaida and Iraq.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: And you’re talking generally now, not just 9/11.
BORGER: Not just 9/11. And let’s talk generally and then we’ll get to 9/11.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Talk generally.
BORGER: Generally.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: That’s not true.
BORGER: So you disagree?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Absolutely. Look at the Zarqawi case. Here’s a man who’s Jordanian by birth. He’s described as an al-Qaida associate. He ran training camps in Afghanistan back before we went to war in Afghanistan. After we went in and hit his training camp, he fled to Baghdad. Found safe harbor and sanctuary in Baghdad in May of 2002. He arrived with about two dozen other supporters of his, members of the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, which was Zawahiri’s organization. He’s the number two to bin Laden, which was merged with al-Qaida interchangeably. Egyptian Islamic Jihad, al-Qaida, same-same. They’re all now part of one organization. They merged some years ago. So Zarqawi living in Baghdad. We arranged for information to be passed on his presence in Baghdad to the Iraqis through a third-party intelligence service. They did that twice. There’s no question but what Saddam Hussein really was there. He was allowed to operate out of Baghdad. He ran the poisons fact ory in northern Iraq out of Baghdad, which became a safe harbor for Ansar al-Islam??? as well as al-Qaida fleeing Afghanistan. There clearly was a relationship there that stretched back over that period of time to at least May of ‘02, a year before we launched into Iraq. He is the worst offender. He’s probably killed more Iraqis than any other man in Iraq today. He is probably the leading terrorist still operating in Iraq today.
BORGER: Now some say that he corresponded with al-Qaida only after Saddam was deposed.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: That’s not true. He had been involved working side by side, as described by the CIA, with al-Qaida over the years. This is an old established relationship. He’s the man who killed our man Foley in Jordan, an AID official, during this period of time. To suggest that there’s no connection between Zarqawi, no relationship if you will, and Iraq just simply is not true.
BORGER: Well, let’s get to Mohammad Atta for a minute, because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, “pretty well confirmed.”
Vice Pres. CHENEY: No, I never said that.
BORGER: OK.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Never said that.
BORGER: I think that is…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Absolutely not. What I said was the Czech intelligence service reported after 9/11 that Atta had been in Prague on April 9th of 2001, where he allegedly met with an Iraqi intelligence official. We have never been able to confirm that nor have we been able to knock it down.
BORGER: Well, now this report says it didn’t happen.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: No. This report says they haven’t found any evidence.
BORGER: That it happened.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Right.
BORGER: But you haven’t found the evidence that it happened either, have you?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: No. All we have is that one report from the Czechs. We just don’t know.
BORGER: So does this put it to rest for you or not on Atta?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: It doesn’t add anything from my perspective. I mean, I still am a skeptic. I can’t refute the Czech plan. I can’t prove the Czech plan. It’s …(unintelligible) the nature of the intelligence (unintelligible).
BORGER: OK, but let’s…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: But that is a separate question from what the press has gotten all in a dither about, The New York Times especially, on this other question. What they’ve done is, I think, distorted what the commission actually reported, certainly according to Governor Thompson, who’s a member of the commission.
BORGER: But you say you disagree with the commission…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: On this question of whether or not there was a general relationship.
BORGER: Yes.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Yeah.
BORGER: And they say that there was not one forged and you were saying yes, that there was. Do you know things that the commission does not know?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Probably.
BORGER: And do you think the commission needs to know them?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: I don’t have any–I don’t know what they know. I do know they didn’t talk with any original sources on this subject that say that in their report.
BORGER: They did talk with people who had interrogated sources.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Right.
BORGER: So they do have good sources.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: Gloria, the notion that there is no relationship between Iraq and al-Qaida just simply is not true. I’m going to read this material here. Your show isn’t long enough for me to read all the pieces…
BORGER: Sure it is.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: …but in the fall of ‘95 and again in the summer of ‘96, bin Laden met with Iraqi intelligence service representatives at his farm in Sudan. Bin Laden asked for terror training from Iraq. The Iraqi intelligence service responded. It deployed a bomb-making expert, a brigadier general in the Iraqi intelligence.
BORGER: OK, but now just let me stop you there, because what this report says is that he was not given the support that he had asked for from Iraq, that he had requested all of these things but, in fact, did not get them.
Vice Pres. CHENEY: He got this. We know for a fact. This is from George Tenet’s testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee February 12th, 2003, etc. I mean, it’s there. It’s …(unintelligible).
BORGER: So is the commission credible as far as you’re concerned?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: I haven’t read their entire report on everything. I think they’re doing good work. I think it’s a very tough job they’ve been doing and I don’t mean to be overly critical of them. I think this is not an area they looked at. According to Governor Thompson again, they didn’t spend a lot of time on the question of Iraq and al-Qaida except for the 9/11 proposition.
That’s what they’re asked to look at. They did not spend a lot of time on these other issues. They’ve got one paragraph in the report that talks about that. And so the notion that you can take one paragraph from the 9-11 Commission and say, `Ah, therefore that says there was never a connection between Iraq and al-Qaida.’ It’s just wrong. It’s not true. I’d love to go on on all of this stuff, but the fact of the matter is there clearly was a relationship there. Now…
BORGER: Let me just ask you, bottom line, though, on 9/11…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: On 9/11…
BORGER: …Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11?
Vice Pres. CHENEY: We have never been able to prove that there was a connection there on 9/11. The one thing we have is the Czech intelligence service report saying that Mohammad Atta had met with the senior Iraqi intelligence official at the embassy on April 9th, 2001. That’s never been proven. It’s never been refuted.
Further down this exchange occurs.
BORGER: Mr. Vice President, I don’t think I’ve ever seen you, in all the years I’ve interviewed you, as exercised about something as you seem today.Vice Pres. CHENEY: I was. I admit, Gloria, and you and I have known each other a long time. But I do believe that the press has been irresponsible, that there’s this temptation to take…
BORGER: But the press is making a distinction between 9/11 and…
Vice Pres. CHENEY: No, they’re not. They’re not. The New York Times does not. The Panel Finds No Qaida-Iraq Ties. That’s what it says. That’s the vaunted New York Times. Numerous–I’ve watched a lot of the coverage on it and the fact of the matter is they don’t make a distinction. They fuzz it up. Sometimes it’s through ignorance. Sometimes it’s malicious. But you’ll take a statement that’s geared specifically to say there’s no connection in relation to the 9/11 attack and then say, `Well, obviously there’s no case here.’ And then jump over to challenge the president’s credibility or my credibility and say …(unintelligible).
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