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Updated Blackfive is asking for opinions on this topic. I doubt that my opinions will make very many people happy but in large part I believe its because this war isnt very real to anyone except people like me and our soldiers.

Another cricket player gives us his opinion on why my children need to die to uphold the unreasonable rules of war he believes in. Another person who views this war as some sort of cricket game. Another person who believes that he has some right to dictate how I will advocate preventing my children from facing a camera hearing Allah Akbar right before their heads are sawed off by some murderous band of thugs straight out of the 7th century.

No they can kiss my ass, if you feel bad about doing anything to win the war then tough. I wonder what rules were being followed up in Flt93 that fine day when civilians had to step up and take up slack from those busy following rules.

Win this war, win it any way you can. Anything less is losing and losing doesn’t mean we all get to sit around watching 60 Minutes tell us how we lost the war. Losing means watching our families get exterminated by a band of thugs whose vision of civilization starts with a book written by a bunch of people whose vision of God begins and ends with a sword. If you cannot stomach winning by any measure then step aside and pass the dirty work along to those of us who aren’t so self centered to believe that our morality is the only measure of success.

I have said it before and it bears repeating, my morality is nothing in the balance of my children growing up in a world minus those 7th century animals. They started the war, we will finish it. And if it takes debasing myself by brutally torturing people to win then so be it. I will answer for my crimes to God. But by God I won’t do anything at all that hinders victory.

People like this seem to view this as some sort of televised event where rules are followed and quarter is given. If this person can claim that during a rolling fight to the death in a bedroom he would follow rules his enemy did not then we would all rightfully say he was nuts. Because in that case winning is what counts. Well winning is what counts now. We haven’t won this war by a long stretch yet.

I tend to believe that this person would not follow any rules in that fight in the bedroom, but he is sufficiently distant from the fight going on now and sufficiently confident of victory to believe that we can follow rules and still win. Overconfidence is the play of fools. You can see it being played out in our military with all the additional rules being foisted upon them. For all I repeat what Admiral Halsey had to say:
KILL JAPS! KILL JAPS! KILL MORE JAPS! You will help to kill the yellow bastards if you do your job well ” Admiral Halsey’s famous billboard at the entrance to the Tulagi Naval Base during WW2.

Thats the sort of spirit that wins wars. It is ugly and people like Andrew Sullivan might not care for it but given a choice between Andrew Sullivan guarding my children and someone with the spirit of Admiral Halsey….hmmm questions anyone?

Here is a snippet from a much lengthier post on the same subject.  

About this point Glenn Reynolds, whose keyboard is so often so much mightier than a sword, will be claiming that he doesn’t believe in torture because it doesn’t work. This, without even the slightest attempt at goggling torture, will seem naive to those who have faced force on a regular basis. Naturally those who understand the use of force and how it affects those threatened by it will laugh at the naiveté of believing torture doesn’t work. If it didn’t work it wouldn’t be used. We can put aside for a moment that oft time’s torture is used as a useful education to those who are not the recipients, of what happens when you cross those who are in power.  

The plain fact is that torture does indeed work. In fact it works against the very enemy we are fighting. “In 1995, the police in the Philippines tortured Abdul Hakim Murad  after finding a bomb-making factory in his apartment in Manila. They broke his ribs, burned him with cigarettes, forced water down his throat, then threatened to turn him over to the Israelis. Finally, from this withered and broken man came secrets of a terror plot to blow up 11 airliners, crash another into the headquarters of the CIA and to assassinate the Pope. “

Further down that same lengthy post finishes with this.

To our backs lie our children and our elderly, all of our riches, our homes and our lives, to our fronts lies an enemy driven to madness by a religion gone corrupt. Exactly which rules are you willing to abide by in your effort to win and prevent our destruction?

Torture: The Case Against, and Prescription for…..  

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