Sorry, don’t agree 100% with you on this!…

That being said, the hadith, the sayings attributed to the Prophet and used in legal proceedings has a quality of worship as the hadith appear to take precidence over the Quran. Organizations like al Qaeda use these outdated sayings to support their interpretations. al Qaeda is only one organization of many around the world including in N.A and Europe that have adopted the interpretations. These have also been adopted into ‘mainstream’ Islamic thought.

ObL declared Jihad on America AND Saudi Arabia because of these hadith because Saudi Arabia is supposed to be the holiest of holy cities where no infidels should reside.

Depending on the books that are imported into N.A if they are propagated you will have whole communities believing the commentators. Why? because if they don’t believe it, they don’t love Allah.

Islamic thought had its resurgence beginning with the Ayatollah Khomaeni in Iran and the sprouting of Islamist groups all over the middle-east. The propaganda against ‘infidels’ started way before Iraq. The propaganda book I have was commenced in 1992. The Iraq war is an excuse used by these imams to justify the persecution complex that many Muslims upon themselves to bind themselves together. This creates the proverbial cement to justify the ‘One Ulamah’ that is the goal of these global groups to eventually assimilate conversion to Islam.

I left my Muslim community in August of 2001, a month before 9/11. Why? the bigotry against Jews and other religions and against non-Muslim women. The attitude that is being propagated is that Islam is Perfect and every body else is impure. This is why a number of practising Muslims isolate themselves from the broader community. They do that because Islamic law, via the Quran justifies it.

The terror events are not isolated from one another or have one cause or effect. The perceptions of humiliation and degradation has fueled anti-western hatreds because the west is also equivalent to the term infidels in the Quran.

The Saudi Royal government does not have that much to do with al Qaeda. ObL, as I have mentioned previously, has declared holy war on Saudia BECAUSE of the Royal family’s ties to the U.S and because they are not looking after their own population appropriately. The poor are growing in Saudi Arabia and Muslims within the NA Salafist community has determined that, based on the growing Wahabi/Salafist following in Saudia, their interpretation of the Quran and these hadith has laws about the governing family taking care of the poor and as mentioned, no infidels should be on Saudi soil. This is simplyfying it though.

I knew members of my community, professionals like doctors or engineers,who have propagated mistrust and animosity towards Hindus, Jews and Buddhists because they believe they are oppressors of Muslims and worship differently than them. I have had to request this ‘professional’ to stop sending me his bigoted emails or I would contact the authorities. This same man, along with a physician are propagating a conspiracy theory that Israeli’s flew the jets into the world trade towers, not Muslims.

Their reasoning? They hate Jews because it’s in the Quran so they must believe it to be good Muslims. It is also propagated that all Muslims are givin the benefit of the doubt that they are all pious and everyone else is. I have also heard other conspiracy theories within the Muslim community that groups like al Qaeda were created by the CIA to make Islam look bad.

There are far too many Muslims in the world to make themselves look bad. I’m sure they don’t need the CIA to do that.

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I’m glad to see you’ve joined the debate with Pierre. I offer the following which may provide some insight to the concern Pierre and I share.

Tom

How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men. Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities - but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilisation of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome.

—Sir Winston Churchill, from The River War, first edition, Vol. II, pages 248-50 (London: Longmans, Green & Co., 1899).

This is exceedingly dangerous and it is one of the reasons I absolutely welcomed Rep Tancredos remarks.

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