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Was Muhammed an Islamist? Or was he a moderate?

As we watch one of the most beautiful countries in the world get torn apart by the sort of thuggery that has always seemed to be part of Islam I wonder would Muhammed have defined himself as an Islamist? How would President Bush describe Muhammed? Would he describe him as a moderate, peaceful man or would he describe him as an Islamist?

Surely Muhammed would describe himself as an extremist and isn’t that the definition of an Islamist ultimately? Or is the definition of an Islamist one who is strict in his interpretation of the Koran? What makes one an Islamist?

The Devil is in the details and exactly how is it possible to get the details correct if your definitions differ from the definitions offered by those you attempt to define? Meaning exactly how does one deal with Islam if one denies its definition of itself?

There is plenty of terrific reporting going on right now by people who understand the importance of the details. Brussels Journal is near the top along with ¡No Pasaràn! 5 Some of my favorites are here  , here which included a terrific offer of help for Chirac from Kadhafi  , here  “Wake up and Smell the Molotov Cocktails and here “Not that I’m on a crusade or anything — After all, the word might hurt someone’s feelings”  .

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  1. The author of that book seems to so
    quickly forget the intellectual and academic excellence that followed in the centuries after the advent of Islam. He forgets the contributions made to the fields of mathematics and science, chemistry and biology, while Christian Europe was still in the dark ages.

    Cue the Bruce Springsteen song “Glory Days.” Yeah, and what has the Islamic world done since then? Never mind that a ton of those advances were made by Assyrians and Persians. You’re rather pathetic if you’re going to rest on your laurels from 900 AD.

    Remind yourself that the Arab world has experienced constant meddling by European and Western powers, and that the global climate is due in part (but only in part) to the actions of those meddling Western powers.

    Pardon my French - but you’re an ASSHOLE. Constant meddling??? The British and the French got involved in the Middle East after the Ottomans choose poorly in WWI. They created the states of the Middle East and LEFT.

    Having said that, I defy you to prove that Muhammad was an extremist, or that Islam is a religion of extremism.

    I suppose going on 70+ raids, killing off the Jews of Yathrib (Medina), and ordering the assassination of Marwan’s daughter doesn’t make one an extremist. Oh, wait, Allah told him to do all that, so that makes it all OK.

    4. Anonymous on January 7th, 2006 at

  2. I’m a little surprised at the amount of hatred that is being spread on this blog, and in the comments as well. Of course, no doubt this is the reaction the world is bound to see in the face of the extremism eminating from some groups within the Islamic world.

    But it seems apparent to me that the author of this blog and the above commentors have little to no understanding of what Islam is, or who Muhammad was. Islam is the Quran, so rather than quote the writings of a French “Islamic Scholar”, quote from the Quran what principles you feel Islam upholds.

    I have not read “Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman”, but from the short excerpt at the URL provided above, it is apparent that the author of the book believes himself to be superior to Arabs (not even to Muslims… but again, I haven’t read the book yet). Anyone coming from such a stance, where they assume they are superior to another, is already incapable of rational discussion. But I feel rational discussion is the last thing on the agenda of this blog.

    The author of that book seems to so quickly forget the intellectual and academic excellence that followed in the centuries after the advent of Islam. He forgets the contributions made to the fields of mathematics and science, chemistry and biology, while Christian Europe was still in the dark ages.

    You talk of Muhammad (peace be upon him) and you talk of extremism. The best indication of the actions of Muhammad and the rationale behind them are layed out in the Quran. No doubt you have thoughts in line with the popular detractors of Islam over the centuries since its advent, and no doubt you stand on as little common sense as they do.

    Having said that, I defy you to prove that Muhammad was an extremist, or that Islam is a religion of extremism. And before you are so quick to retort, I ask you to put yourself in the shoes of the Muslim world. Remind yourself that the Arab world has experienced constant meddling by European and Western powers, and that the global climate is due in part (but only in part) to the actions of those meddling Western powers. Remember, America is the country with the clearly established history of political intrigue and subversion.

    If any of you are really interested in the the truth, as opposed to just spreading hatred, then you may find this article of about Muhammad (pbuh) to be more informative than any book by a French “Islamic Scholar” with a superiority complex:

    http://www.alislam.org/library/zafar/exampler.html

    5. Sohail Mirza on November 7th, 2005 at

  3. Thank you very much for your comments. Your links have occupied me all this morning. I found the comparision between Jim Jones and Muhammed to absolutely startling. Reading that comparison it struck me why the Communists find reasons to ally with the Islamists.

    Pierre

    6. Pierre Legrand on November 6th, 2005 at

  4. It’s all jihad. The ‘moderates’ that the infidels flutter to seeking confirmation that they are good infidels are merely a front to confuse the infidels. They ALL believe in the same thing - kill, convert or subjugate (dhimmitude) the infidels, steal their land and take the booty. A world for Islam, and Islam only. How naive the infidels are. They simply refuse to study Islam and the history of jihad. If you truly want to understand the history of jihad, read Andrew Bostom’s Legacy of Jihad.

    French Islamic Scholar, Andre Servier, predicted it all in his 1924 book Islam and the Psychology of the Musulman.

    There are only 64 copies available for loan from the world’s greatest libraries, but you can read it here online now -

    http://musulmanbook.blogspot.com

    MusulmanBook

    7. John Sobieski on November 6th, 2005 at

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