You are wasting your energy arguing with this person.

Clearly, there is a moral equivalence, in their mind, between those who would either kill everyone not of their religion or forceably convert them. And, given that mindset, one can only assume that they would cheerfully start banging their heads on a rug five times a day and observe Islamic law, rather than be forced to be so crude and judgemental as to actually use force to prevent them from carrying out their aim of conversion or death to all who do not subscribe to their beliefs.

I’m sorry for them, because when those of us who are willing to put ourselves on the line to protect their right to be so naive decide we’ve had enough of it all, they are going to be in a very tight spot no matter which way it goes.

Sooner or later, (sadly, it’ll probably be later) the truth of the fact that you are either with us or with them will dawn on enough people that it’ll start being an imperative.

I doubt that the “moral equivalence” crowd will get it in time, though. And it may well get pretty ugly out there. So far, being a befuddled soft-head (to put it politely) hasn’t had any consequences from our side of the fence.

But the day will probably come when it will start to have. I hope and pray that it doesn’t come to that, but the more of this type of foolishness I hear, the more likely I believe it to be that it will.

Which will be a sad state of affairs. But not nearly so sad as my going out and banging my head on a rug.

Think about it.

We are still faced after all your babble with the fact that you consider US Soldiers and the Headchoppers on the same moral plane. For you the police and the criminals are equal because there have been a few scattered instances of cops becoming criminals. You might also hate humans since there are no good ones except those you can pity. In your world the good ones are offset by the bad ones leading to an equality of misery. Congrats on your world…

And do you know what the worst part is? That you, in your spectacular ignorance, don’t even know who Jean Cavailles was.

Displaying a fine sense of irony Jean stated thusly:

Fine, and I would tend to agree, but ask yourself this question - where is this rampaging murderer of which you speak?

So either you are less than 5 years old and do not remember 9/11 or you are one of those maniac truthers or you simply believe that Iraq has nothing to do with terror. Which is it?

Are there any murderers presently rampaging through American cities?

None that are obvious but I am worried about you.

There was indeed one recently, but he was himself an American. You might claim that there are plenty in Iraq, but many of them in fact are American too. I refer you to Najaf, Fallujah, and the numerous other contemporary horrors committed by the US Army in that country, including, but not limited, to the rape and murder of children.

So there it is again that ugly attempt by you to equate American soldiers with the monsters who fly airplanes into buildings, behead innocents, blow up markets and pizza parlours and in general act like a bunch of rejects from the 7th century.

I don’t mean to humiliate you in this way. But you are advancing here are set of harmful and fallacious premises, and you are duty-bound to reconsider them.

hehe..the saddest thing about this little dialog is I am certain you really believe that you are making points. Your mind is so twisted that it seems perfectly normal to equate American Soldiers with Al Qaeda.

“In my world the cop who shoots the murderer rampaging through the city is in no way shape or form similar to the murderer even though both use a gun and kill.”

Fine, and I would tend to agree, but ask yourself this question - where is this rampaging murderer of which you speak? Are there any murderers presently rampaging through American cities? There was indeed one recently, but he was himself an American. You might claim that there are plenty in Iraq, but many of them in fact are American too. I refer you to Najaf, Fallujah, and the numerous other contemporary horrors committed by the US Army in that country, including, but not limited, to the rape and murder of children. All of this has been well-documented, if surprisingly not covered on Fox News, and if you wish to continue to sing hymns to sturdy moral backbone of American soldiers, you have a duty to make yourself aware of it.

Let us move on: “In my world my soldiers are protecting my dreams from the ruin of a group of animals who delight in televising the beheadings of innocents.”

You seem to believe that this is particularly clever formulation. I do agree at least that it is telling. Strange animals, I put to you, who delight in televised beheadings - as far as I am aware, humans are the only beasts who make TV. Moreover, you yourself have written on Abu Gharib, where American solider precisely engaged in televised torture (and you aware that the worst material, featuring explicit murder and rape, has never been shown?).

I don’t mean to humiliate you in this way. But you are advancing here are set of harmful and fallacious premises, and you are duty-bound to reconsider them.

Pierre

This figure of the absolute enemy, which you are labouring under, is wholly delusional, and corresponds more to an infantile fantasy than to any empirical reality - and before you respond, ask you yourself whether you are actually able to argue with me, rather than merely assert, that I am wrong? Your next answer will be telling.

In my world my soldiers are protecting my dreams from the ruin of a group of animals who delight in televising the beheadings of innocents. In my world my soldiers do not occupy a single molecule of the same space in hell that the enemy occupys. In your world they are equal.

I could say that folks like you disgust me but that would be pointless. Your cowardice is only equaled by your blindness of human nature. My only hope is that you find out the error of your ways regarding the nature of our enemies the easy way rather than the way that Danny Pearl and Nick Berg found.

Ask yourself this question, from atop your fantastic mountains of skulls, supposing that your bloody dream is delivered: what will have really been won? What kind of victory is it exactly which could even be theoretically achieved in the way you suggest, as a direct result of a generalized holocaust? Ask yourself, what exactly do you believe you are defending, which could really be defended in this way? Not the principles of American government contained within the constitution, neither this, nor the ideal expressed in the declaration of independence, which once served as a shining beacon for the entire world: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with inherent and inalienable rights; that among these, are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

Do not talk about American lives, do not place a sacred premium upon them. The American dream, if it means anything, is a universalist dream, it extends to embrace the whole of humanity, the abject and despised as much, even more, then the loved and beatified - and America is nothing without this dream, nothing at all worth preserving. Understand that just as you say that love your own children, and consider this love to be sacred, parents all over the world love their children as well, and in the same way - and that many have lost theirs, to American bombs. Would you sneer at these deaths, and say that these lost lives are worth less than they would be were those children American?