Comments on: More thoughts on the War against Islamic Terror http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm A Common Man Looks at the War on Islamic Terror Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Speller http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-35559 Speller Sat, 03 Feb 2007 07:58:15 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-35559 Islam, because of it's rules, it's punctillious daily dos and don'ts,(praying facing Mecca five times/day), could not withstand the distruction of Mecca and the Kaaba. Islam, because it is so physical, so temporally oriented, is a brittle religion/ideology. Without Mecca and the Kaaba their would be no Hajj and if the Hajj were impossible, with one of the Five Pillars of Islam forever removed then Islam could be demonstrated to it's adherents as a false religion. Now Mecca is less than 90 miles from the sea. It would be easy to invade it in the offseason, evict the people and then, with invaders and citizens at a safe distance, vapourize it and the Kaaba. "Victory in war comes from the breaking of the enemy’s will to win. Sun Tzu states it thus: To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting. It is not apparent that we understand that breaking the enemy’s will to win is what we are after." Pierre Legrand Islam, because of it’s rules, it’s punctillious daily dos and don’ts,(praying facing Mecca five times/day), could not withstand the distruction of Mecca and the Kaaba.
Islam, because it is so physical, so temporally oriented, is a brittle religion/ideology.

Without Mecca and the Kaaba their would be no Hajj and if the Hajj were impossible, with one of the Five Pillars of Islam forever removed then Islam could be demonstrated to it’s adherents as a false religion.

Now Mecca is less than 90 miles from the sea. It would be easy to invade it in the offseason, evict the people and then, with invaders and citizens at a safe distance, vapourize it and the Kaaba.

“Victory in war comes from the breaking of the enemy’s will to win. Sun Tzu states it thus: To fight and conquer in all our battles is not supreme excellence; supreme excellence consists in breaking the enemy’s resistance without fighting. It is not apparent that we understand that breaking the enemy’s will to win is what we are after.” Pierre Legrand

]]> By: Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » What it takes to win a war…and why is this a mystery? http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-19586 Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » What it takes to win a war…and why is this a mystery? Mon, 18 Dec 2006 19:30:31 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-19586 [...] Perhaps we facing an enemy who is beginning to understand that killing us through a thousand small cuts may be better than rousing us. Can we be roused if the enemy does not do us the “favor” of a massive attack? At this point it appears that the only way we will rise up, name our enemy, and do what is required to defeat him is for us to be roused. Roused to the point where we feel like our backs are against the wall and we start fighting with no rules. What if the enemy knows this and doesn’t rouse us? He would be following Sun Tzu’s rule to not make an enemy desperate: Do not interfere with an army that is returning home. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard. - Sun Tzu [...] […] Perhaps we facing an enemy who is beginning to understand that killing us through a thousand small cuts may be better than rousing us. Can we be roused if the enemy does not do us the “favor” of a massive attack? At this point it appears that the only way we will rise up, name our enemy, and do what is required to defeat him is for us to be roused. Roused to the point where we feel like our backs are against the wall and we start fighting with no rules. What if the enemy knows this and doesn’t rouse us? He would be following Sun Tzu’s rule to not make an enemy desperate: Do not interfere with an army that is returning home. When you surround an army, leave an outlet free. Do not press a desperate foe too hard. - Sun Tzu […]

]]> By: Paul http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1575 Paul Fri, 11 Aug 2006 01:57:29 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1575 "Our religion being the religion of capitalism and freedom bound together in a liberal world where we work towards a constantly improving life in general with individuals encouraged to follow their own paths of enlightenment." "The enemies religion consists of a set of rules written in the 7th century which the Radicals believe must be rigidly adhered to or dire consequences follow." 1. Capitalism is not a religion. Neither is liberlism. 2. As far as I have seen, your religion improves life for only those who subscribe to that particular belief system. 3. The keyword in the second quote is 'Radicals'. Not all muslims are radical, and I'm sure that not all members of 'your' religion are moderates. 4. Have you read the bible? From what I understood, it was originally a set of rules written way before the 7th century that EVERYONE believed should be rigidly adhered to or dire consequences would follow. Please don't misunderstand me, I am not against the war and I have no time or breath for those who would kill innocent people to make a point. I Believe that the world would be a better place without religion. A person's communion with god/allah/buddha or whomever, is a very personal, spiritual bond. It should be kept that way. Do unto others....... PmJ “Our religion being the religion of capitalism and freedom bound together in a liberal world where we work towards a constantly improving life in general with individuals encouraged to follow their own paths of enlightenment.”

“The enemies religion consists of a set of rules written in the 7th century which the Radicals believe must be rigidly adhered to or dire consequences follow.”

1. Capitalism is not a religion. Neither is liberlism.
2. As far as I have seen, your religion improves life for only those who subscribe to that particular belief system.
3. The keyword in the second quote is ‘Radicals’. Not all muslims are radical, and I’m sure that not all members of ‘your’ religion are moderates.
4. Have you read the bible? From what I understood, it was originally a set of rules written way before the 7th century that EVERYONE believed should be rigidly adhered to or dire consequences would follow.

Please don’t misunderstand me, I am not against the war and I have no time or breath for those who would kill innocent people to make a point. I Believe that the world would be a better place without religion. A person’s communion with god/allah/buddha or whomever, is a very personal, spiritual bond. It should be kept that way.

Do unto others…….

PmJ

]]> By: Pierre http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1554 Pierre Thu, 10 Aug 2006 01:24:36 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1554 Thank you very much Awakened and others who have taken the time to comment on my site. It is very much appreciated. Thank you very much Awakened and others who have taken the time to comment on my site. It is very much appreciated.

]]> By: Awakened http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1537 Awakened Wed, 09 Aug 2006 02:50:41 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1537 Another voice of reason and truth. Please keep up the good work, the more voices that raise this issue in a civil way, the better. I would also encourge you to visit the sandmonkeys blog. A great prespective from a reasonable human living in Egypt. www.sandmonkeyblog.com All good things are worth fighting for, and I can't think of anything better to fight for then the future for my children and country men! Another voice of reason and truth. Please keep up the good work, the more voices that raise this issue in a civil way, the better.

I would also encourge you to visit the sandmonkeys blog. A great prespective from a reasonable human living in Egypt.

http://www.sandmonkeyblog.com

All good things are worth fighting for, and I can’t think of anything better to fight for then the future for my children and country men!

]]> By: Pierre Legrand http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1455 Pierre Legrand Fri, 04 Aug 2006 19:16:54 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1455 Thanks for the comments! Looking forward to reading The New Pentagon Map, probably will happen after I cross off Paul Fregosi JIHAD and a couple of work related books from my reading list. Paul Fregosi's book is somewhat tedious and not very well organized...frustrating that he jumps about so much. We face a long terrible struggle though that much is clear. Thanks for the comments!

Looking forward to reading The New Pentagon Map, probably will happen after I cross off Paul Fregosi JIHAD and a couple of work related books from my reading list.

Paul Fregosi’s book is somewhat tedious and not very well organized…frustrating that he jumps about so much.

We face a long terrible struggle though that much is clear.

]]> By: jdwill http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1454 jdwill Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:44:17 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1454 Good post. More free info on PM Barnett if you google: PM Barnett site:booktv.org He has a new book http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?schedid=383&segid=6370 and a blog, but he doesn't post much. IMHO he is on to a lot of the solution, but not all (dollar economics hasn't addressed religion as a rational transaction - which some are now starting to analyze). His prime point as I see it is that it is correct to take down dictators that would take large segments of the worlds population 'offline'. The argument is this causes war anyway where these populations come into contact with the 'core'. Good post.

More free info on PM Barnett if you google:

PM Barnett site:booktv.org

He has a new book
http://www.booktv.org/feature/index.asp?schedid=383&segid=6370
and a blog, but he doesn’t post much.

IMHO he is on to a lot of the solution, but not all (dollar economics hasn’t addressed religion as a rational transaction - which some are now starting to analyze). His prime point as I see it is that it is correct to take down dictators that would take large segments of the worlds population ‘offline’. The argument is this causes war anyway where these populations come into contact with the ‘core’.

]]> By: Eric http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1452 Eric Fri, 04 Aug 2006 18:20:53 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/08/03/more-thoughts-on-the-war-against-islamic-terrorits-on-if-you-havent-noticed.htm#comment-1452 You should read Barnett's books. His pretty much addresses what you are talking about here, but in a lot more detail. He sees Islam as a tool used by many of the 'gap' state regimes to keep people under their thumb. This seems right to me, as I think of Christianity in the middle ages. He frames the overall conflict as connectedness vs. disconnectedness, and says for us to be safe we must totally eliminate disconnectedness (but it will take time). Definitely worth the read. You should read Barnett’s books. His pretty much addresses what you are talking about here, but in a lot more detail. He sees Islam as a tool used by many of the ‘gap’ state regimes to keep people under their thumb. This seems right to me, as I think of Christianity in the middle ages. He frames the overall conflict as connectedness vs. disconnectedness, and says for us to be safe we must totally eliminate disconnectedness (but it will take time). Definitely worth the read.

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