Comments on: Secrecy and Stealth, fighting ghosts with rules and September 11, 2001 http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm A Common Man Looks at the War on Islamic Terror Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:36:17 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Ann Coulter knows how to win…why doesn’t our Political Class? http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-20839 Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Ann Coulter knows how to win…why doesn’t our Political Class? Fri, 22 Dec 2006 01:45:32 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-20839 [...] Ann understands what it takes to win. Bringing boatloads of woe and misery to the enemy. As ugly as that is on the 24 hour news networks that is the only way. She is making the same points I have made over and over again, none of this is a mystery. Though our political class seems mystified even going so far as demanding an exit strategy and a definition of victory. Here is my exit strategy and my definition of victory, when the enemy begs me to leave victory is at hand. Then I will set my terms and if he accepts I will leave a garrison in his home to insure comnpliance. Viola victory. Liberals are like people with stale breath talking into your face at a party. You try backing away from them or offering them gum, but then they just start whimpering. They’ve been using the exact same talking points about how we’re losing in Iraq since before we invaded. [...] [...] Ann understands what it takes to win. Bringing boatloads of woe and misery to the enemy. As ugly as that is on the 24 hour news networks that is the only way. She is making the same points I have made over and over again, none of this is a mystery. Though our political class seems mystified even going so far as demanding an exit strategy and a definition of victory. Here is my exit strategy and my definition of victory, when the enemy begs me to leave victory is at hand. Then I will set my terms and if he accepts I will leave a garrison in his home to insure comnpliance. Viola victory. Liberals are like people with stale breath talking into your face at a party. You try backing away from them or offering them gum, but then they just start whimpering. They’ve been using the exact same talking points about how we’re losing in Iraq since before we invaded. [...]

]]> By: Pierre Legrand http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-4117 Pierre Legrand Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:33:08 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-4117 bastiat I blogged that piece today...thanks! bastiat I blogged that piece today…thanks!

]]> By: Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Terrorist Negotiations 101 Soviet style http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-4116 Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Terrorist Negotiations 101 Soviet style Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:28:23 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-4116 [...] How does one deal with terrorists and the nations that sponsor such fanatics? We could do worse than to emulate the Soviets. Hat tip commenter bastiat Russia: As Middle East Heats Up, Moscow Maintains Balancing Act - RADIO FREE EUROPE / RADIO LIBERTY A BOMB FOR QOM? Russia has had direct experience in dealing with Hizballah. In 1985, extremist groups in Lebanon linked to Hizballah kidnapped four Soviet diplomats, one of which was later killed. [...] [...] How does one deal with terrorists and the nations that sponsor such fanatics? We could do worse than to emulate the Soviets. Hat tip commenter bastiat Russia: As Middle East Heats Up, Moscow Maintains Balancing Act - RADIO FREE EUROPE / RADIO LIBERTY A BOMB FOR QOM? Russia has had direct experience in dealing with Hizballah. In 1985, extremist groups in Lebanon linked to Hizballah kidnapped four Soviet diplomats, one of which was later killed. [...]

]]> By: bastiat http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-4115 bastiat Sun, 08 Oct 2006 04:15:08 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-4115 Pierre, I had never heard the story about the kidnapping of the Soviet diplomats in Lebanon. When I did a search for more, I found an interesting update about the events. From <a href="http://72.14.253.104/search?q=cache:9qTHvMtulHgJ:www.rferl.org/featuresarticle/2006/08/8938ce7e-5d54-45db-bd1c-92032901db38.html Lebanon kidnap KGB&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=8&client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Radio Free Europe,</a> Sidebar right under photo of Khomeini: "However, speaking to TV-Tsentr on July 8, KGB Colonel Yury Perfiliev, who at the time headed the KGB's Beirut station, said the media reports were just a KGB bluff aimed at pressuring the kidnappers. [...] He said that if the kidnappers (sic) were not released then the Soviet Union could accidentally fire a nuclear missile in the direction of the Iranian city of Qom, where Ayatollah Khomeini and other top Muslim clerics lived. The three remaining prisoners were subsequently released." And who said the Soviets weren't nuanced. Damn! Pierre,

I had never heard the story about the kidnapping of the Soviet diplomats in Lebanon. When I did a search for more, I found an interesting update about the events.

From Radio Free Europe,

Sidebar right under photo of Khomeini:
“However, speaking to TV-Tsentr on July 8, KGB Colonel Yury Perfiliev, who at the time headed the KGB’s Beirut station, said the media reports were just a KGB bluff aimed at pressuring the kidnappers.
[...] He said that if the kidnappers (sic) were not released then the Soviet Union could accidentally fire a nuclear missile in the direction of the Iranian city of Qom, where Ayatollah Khomeini and other top Muslim clerics lived. The three remaining prisoners were subsequently released.”

And who said the Soviets weren’t nuanced. Damn!

]]> By: Pierre Legrand http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-4107 Pierre Legrand Sat, 07 Oct 2006 21:21:12 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-4107 Thank you for the reading suggestion it is going on my wish list at amazon immediately! Thank you for the reading suggestion it is going on my wish list at amazon immediately!

]]> By: weSwinger http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-4105 weSwinger Sat, 07 Oct 2006 18:05:49 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-4105 Thank you for your perspctive - for those people who say they support the war but need to prosecute it with a degree of fastidiousness more appropriate to a cricket match - a good example (defending the home village) may get their attention. The underminers of the war effort need to be informed that they are the intellectual heirs of the great underminers of the West: Rousseau, Kant, Gibbon, Darwin, Freud and Marx. This connection was shown clearly to me by the following recommended reading: Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault by Stephen R. C. Hicks (Hardcover - Aug 2004). It is good to understand your enemies - particularly the sham friends! Thanks again, weSwinger Thank you for your perspctive - for those people who say they support the war but need to prosecute it with a degree of fastidiousness more appropriate to a cricket match - a good example (defending the home village) may get their attention.

The underminers of the war effort need to be informed that they are the intellectual heirs of the great underminers of the West: Rousseau, Kant, Gibbon, Darwin, Freud and Marx. This connection was shown clearly to me by the following recommended reading:
Explaining Postmodernism: Skepticism and Socialism from Rousseau to Foucault by Stephen R. C. Hicks (Hardcover - Aug 2004).

It is good to understand your enemies - particularly the sham friends!

Thanks again,
weSwinger

]]> By: Pierre Legrand http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-3170 Pierre Legrand Sat, 23 Sep 2006 17:02:11 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-3170 Thanks Thanos ! Thanks Thanos !

]]> By: Thanos http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-3139 Thanos Sat, 23 Sep 2006 13:43:46 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-3139 Excellent post Pierre, bookmarked. Also, heads up, UBL might be dead. http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/?p=540 Excellent post Pierre, bookmarked.

Also, heads up, UBL might be dead.

http://noblesseoblige.org/wordpress/?p=540

]]> By: Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Cricket, War and Rules because you know we might become like them! http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-3132 Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Cricket, War and Rules because you know we might become like them! Sat, 23 Sep 2006 05:39:45 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-3132 [...] Here is a snippet from a much lengthier post on the same subject. About this point Glenn Reynolds, whose keyboard is so often so much mightier than a sword, will be claiming that he doesn’t believe in torture because it doesn’t work. This, without even the slightest attempt at goggling torture, will seem naive to those who have faced force on a regular basis. Naturally those who understand the use of force and how it affects those threatened by it will laugh at the naiveté of believing torture doesn’t work. If it didn’t work it wouldn’t be used. We can put aside for a moment that oft time’s torture is used as a useful education to those who are not the recipients, of what happens when you cross those who are in power.   [...] [...] Here is a snippet from a much lengthier post on the same subject. About this point Glenn Reynolds, whose keyboard is so often so much mightier than a sword, will be claiming that he doesn’t believe in torture because it doesn’t work. This, without even the slightest attempt at goggling torture, will seem naive to those who have faced force on a regular basis. Naturally those who understand the use of force and how it affects those threatened by it will laugh at the naiveté of believing torture doesn’t work. If it didn’t work it wouldn’t be used. We can put aside for a moment that oft time’s torture is used as a useful education to those who are not the recipients, of what happens when you cross those who are in power.   [...]

]]> By: Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Why we will lose this war against Islam http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-1405 Pierre Legrand’s Pink Flamingo Bar » Why we will lose this war against Islam Wed, 02 Aug 2006 07:02:36 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-1405 [...] When I call for taking the gloves off it is always in reference to actually going after those who enable the terrorists, like the States who sponsor them. No doubt though I have some posts that mirror that Marines wish for total war or no war. [...] [...] When I call for taking the gloves off it is always in reference to actually going after those who enable the terrorists, like the States who sponsor them. No doubt though I have some posts that mirror that Marines wish for total war or no war. [...]

]]> By: Sailor in the Desert http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-440 Sailor in the Desert Thu, 16 Jun 2005 10:42:19 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-440 I remember that story very well and tht was the last time the Soviets ever had a problem with kidnapping. Thought the way I heard it, it was not the KGB, but a Spetznaz team. For those of you who do not know, Spetznaz was the Soviet version of Navy SEALs. I remember that story very well and tht was the last time the Soviets ever had a problem with kidnapping. Thought the way I heard it, it was not the KGB, but a Spetznaz team. For those of you who do not know, Spetznaz was the Soviet version of Navy SEALs.

]]> By: Ch. Arm http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-442 Ch. Arm Tue, 14 Jun 2005 04:21:26 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-442 Yes, Indeed a very nice post! Regards, Ch. Arm http://www.brushfiresoffreedom.blogspot.com/ Yes, Indeed a very nice post!

Regards,

Ch. Arm
http://www.brushfiresoffreedom.blogspot.com/

]]> By: Cutler http://pierrelegrand.net/2006/09/23/secrecy-and-stealth-fighting-ghosts-with-rules-and-september-11-2001.htm#comment-441 Cutler Thu, 26 May 2005 12:25:22 +0000 http://pierrelegrand.net/?p=1669#comment-441 Thank you for this great post. I've bookmarked it and hope to find the time to comment on it at my own site in the next few days. Thank you for this great post. I’ve bookmarked it and hope to find the time to comment on it at my own site in the next few days.

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